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Its time for the new "unbias" cnc.net rankings!

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My list based on recent evidence

 

1) Ferret

2) Lovehandles

3) White

4) PHD ( unknown rank)

5) cn2mc

 

 

Ehy , MrBuggies, and Jacko have been excluded due to inactivity.

 

To be honest I don't know who is best out of the top 4 ive never seen white vs phd or ferret vs phd or lovehandles vs phd if any 1has the vids please show me

 

Evidence used

Ferret I saw beat Lovehandles in a best of 3 (by no means definitive but its the most recent exchange caught on camera and ive not seen anyone else ever beat lovehandles)

Love handles beat white I saw in a recent match (ditto)

White beats cn2mc im told

PHD beats cn2mc ive seen not sure how he does vs others so I wont put him above anyone until further evidence is seen  basically phd is an unkown

cn2mc is the hardest guy I know of outside these 4

Epheraim is also an unknown  ive been told PHD beats him, he is likely top 5 also

 

speedy and weaver improving alot as of late too they are close,  mikepence has gone down hill fast due to too much TS,  

 

Whats your ranking guess?

 

Sorry if this is an annoying thread but I like rankings alot.  Also we dont really need a ranking system I bet we can work it out much more accurately than a rank recording tally. Just by adding up our own experiences

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9 hours ago, AchromicWhite said:

PHD has beaten me up, for sure.
I've probably played less than 10 games against him, all up, though.

wow he is damn impressive, thanks for the honest input White I think that almost completes the rankings just with 1other persons experience noted

 

1) Ferret

2) Lovehandles

3) PHD

4) White

5) cn2mc

 

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IVE BEEN TALKING TO A FEW OTHERS AND PHD HAS RISEN ANOTHER SPOT AGAIN. (ITS ONLY WHAT IVE HEARD IM NOT SURE IF ITS TRUE OR NOT, ALSO LOVEHANDLES IS ONE SUPER HUMBLE GUY AND IS PROBABLY RUSTY SO TAKE HIS RANKING NON SERIOUSLY)

1) Ferret

2) PHD

3) Lovehandles

4) White

5) cn2mc

There's some confusion over spot 5 also as ive heard Ephraim loses to cn2mc about 60 40 and goes about 50 50  even with white, this may be due to cn2mc's unorthodox style, he sure throws spanners at you with his 1refinery GDI build and other builds/tactics no1else does.

 

 

 

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Talked to PHD, he was very selfless and honest with the feedback, the latest rankings are as follows...

 

1) Ferret beat both PHD and Lovehandles on his most recent games! Hes the current top dog, the best in the world!

2/3) Lovehandles and PHD went 1-1 they are drawing for 2nd and 3rd place!

4) White holds 4th

5) Too complex to rank

 

cn2mc beats ephraim but Ephraim does better vs other higher up players than cn2mc does

I havnt included my own rank but Ive beaten cn2mc about 5 to1 in our last  few 1v1 games see Emma/RobL/PHD for confirmation on this, I did this on GA which is a map I hardly ever play on

Ephraim beats me more often than I him tho.  

White beat me on my map and when I had bottom and right advantage last time we played.

I usually beat weaver but I seem to remember him beating me last game we played, so I don't know how good he has gotten as of late, hopefully he will chime in and tell us how well he does vs other players  

Im pretty sure seprothe has become too inactive to rank he also changed up his style likeI did and didn't really get good at the new style due to inactivity, so I think hes not in contention for number 5 although he should be, but will try and find him and give him a match.

Mike Pence should be in the running's too but he plays too much TS and too little TD

 

So number 5 is hard to rank I need  to fight weaver again and Ephraim so we can decide number 5

 

 

I will continue to update the rankings as they change, just much more slowly than I have so far

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What about Ephraim?
He mostly focuses on tanks, but he's pretty good. Solid macro.
He's beaten me before.

Not sure what his GDI v Nod is like.

Oh... you talked about him. Yeah.
Cn2 is good, too. IDK who's better between us.

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3 hours ago, AchromicWhite said:

What about Ephraim?
He mostly focuses on tanks, but he's pretty good. Solid macro.
He's beaten me before.

Not sure what his GDI v Nod is like.

Oh... you talked about him. Yeah.
Cn2 is good, too. IDK who's better between us.

 

Ephraim said he goes 50 50 with you white and goes 40 60 with cn2mc. 

Cn2mc is damn good often really hard work. "I can beat him" is a quote I have from you White in another thread with regards to you vs cn2mc,  also with my experiencing fighting both of you I could beat cn2mc as a new guy, I was getting more wins vs him as a new guy just with a limited albeit cheesy skillset, also you beat me way more than cn2mc did both as a new guy and as of late. I'm certain you are objectively better.

We could ask PHD  though ive seen him beat cn2mc and you say he played you, we could ask him and ferret who they find more difficult for further accuracy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It's hard to really rank people, because everyone's styles are good in different situations.

Like, I've beaten Ferret, but never LoveHandles... maybe years ago with apaches, but meh.

We don't have any points system to really see, so it's mostly speculation.

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18 hours ago, AchromicWhite said:

It's hard to really rank people, because everyone's styles are good in different situations.

Like, I've beaten Ferret, but never LoveHandles... maybe years ago with apaches, but meh.

We don't have any points system to really see, so it's mostly speculation.

I respectfully disagree, seprothe is better than nodnarb 100% of the time, he beats nobnard,  he is objectively better than nodnarb,   Love lets say then beats seprothe 80% of the time he is objectively better than seprothe

I agree that it gets complex when there are 3 guys lets say speedy dash beats justme and justme  beats weaver, but weaver beats speedy dash, then you have a pickle like with position number 5, but thenyou just look further a field and find out who else they beat and then you are highly likely to  find out how they really rank.

Sure there will be some guy that mismatches with another , maybe speedy dash beats all these top guys but loses to mike pence but hes still better than pence because pence cant beat all the top guys, so its just an unfortunate style mismatch for speedy (this is an example scenario not a real one) BUT you will find that those mismatches are extremely rare because most top 5 pros don't have any holes in their game or only minor ones,so its very straight forward for the most part and if it isn't straight forward its almost straight forward, and easy to figure out.

With regards to lovehandles, sure you can beat ferret sometimes and love beats you nearly all the time, then ferret beats lovehandles,  well thats still ferret num 1 love 2 white 3, now if you beat ferret all the time but lost to lovehandles all the time it would be more problematic, we would have a tie(very unlikely) so then you go see how all 3 of you fair against phd, and other top guys and whoever beats the most others, successfully,  is ranked number 1  . Again you could have a situation where they all beat the others equally or in an iffy way that's hard to compare but that truly is unlikely and wont exist in reality very often so we can rank accurately imo/as far as I know.

Especially when its only the top 5. There are only 5 people to rank. At the moment only position 5 is hard to rank since there are a load of close contenders for that spot, the rest are easy from the information I have, also 5 will be very easy to figure out after a few matches if we cant figure it out just from asking people their experiences against other players.

With regards to situations its always done as a whole a bigger picture type thing someone may be very good in certain instances better than another but its how good they are as a whole that counts, not any kind of narrow specialisation

 

 

 

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I've never played Ferret.  I played Lovehandles twice and got smoked both times. I've played PHD many times and have only won twice. I think White and I have played twice if my memory serves correctly, and we went 1-1, unless there are other games I can't remember. I've played Cn2mc a number of times and our record is fairly even, although I've beaten him the past 2-3 times in very close games.

Other players that I've played and never beaten: piv and rootbie. No idea who those players are though.

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No, sure... in some cases it's obvious.
But we still don't know who plays better on what maps/styles etc.

We also have no true standards to play the game by. So, there's that, too.

I tried to fix that many times, but can never get enough voice forward to have the design team give a sht. So meh.
It's whatever.
That's probably the big reason I cannot be bothered pushing myself competitively at this game. There is no official way to see that you're getting better. There are a few silly tactics that mess it all up. There are little to no tournaments. No ladder. etc
Eh.

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42 minutes ago, AchromicWhite said:

No, sure... in some cases it's obvious.
But we still don't know who plays better on what maps/styles etc.

We also have no true standards to play the game by. So, there's that, too.

I tried to fix that many times, but can never get enough voice forward to have the design team give a sht. So meh.
It's whatever.
That's probably the big reason I cannot be bothered pushing myself competitively at this game. There is no official way to see that you're getting better. There are a few silly tactics that mess it all up. There are little to no tournaments. No ladder. etc
Eh.

Can you tell me what you would set the standard at because Im sure its perfectly reasonable and of a high standard knowing you, so im sure we can all pretty much agree and then we can start having our fights on only a few maps or only 1map etc. If others disagree then we can compromise in a sensible way, if some others are incompatible with  compromise then we cant help that, but we can carry on without them.

Also I think is a bad idea to rely on the design team, everything we do we have to do by ourselves, even ranking it ourselves, if the standard is a certain resolution for example we can verify it with recording game software (I don't think we should get bogged down with too detailed standards like resolution though, because its inherently unfair anyway, like different people have different monitor sizes, different IQ amounts, different amounts of free time, more expensive mouse's, more tweeked settings, some people are on medications or recreational drugs etc etc etc, its inherinetly unfair, so I think setting too many standards is a bit futile, perfectionistic and will lead to nothing happening or more people dropping out.

Perhaps we could just agree on a few maps that are fair to the best of our knowledge, and then get stuck in? Im all for any of your or cn2mc's maps, both have some high quality tournament style maps.  

Relying on the staff and being too perfectionistic with standards imo = never happening, and it leaves things out of our control. But if we relax things a bit and do more by ourselves then we can start it right away.   

  

 

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10 hours ago, Ephraim said:

I've never played Ferret.  I played Lovehandles twice and got smoked both times. I've played PHD many times and have only won twice. I think White and I have played twice if my memory serves correctly, and we went 1-1, unless there are other games I can't remember. I've played Cn2mc a number of times and our record is fairly even, although I've beaten him the past 2-3 times in very close games.

Other players that I've played and never beaten: piv and rootbie. No idea who those players are though.

There you go spot number 5 is now officially held by Ephraim, and he could be ranked even higher than this. 

Thanks for the update mate!

 

The elite....

1) Ferret beat both PHD and Lovehandles on his most recent games! Hes the current top dog, the best in the world!

2/3) Lovehandles and PHD went 1-1 they are drawing for 2nd and 3rd place!

4) White holds 4th

5) Ephraim holds 5th

 

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Also an important point to make is while there are not that many players in tiberium dawn it doesn't mean your rank is not impressive, when I play red alert which has so many more players its still a constant stream of wins that I get, I still beat 90% of the people I play at least, in cnc3 out of hundreds of thousands and I was in the top 1%, im sure you guys have similar experiences on other games, so we are a tough crowd,  which is why we are more impressive than we seem when you just look at numbers.  

Many more people does not = much more difficulty. Not when it comes to getting high up as a % of the people playing.

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Well I've talked about making a standard for maps etc, before. And having a list of archetypes for the maps that we have.

Some people kinda thought it was good... but no real move to make anything happen.

We could maybe look at setting up a league or something. I don't really have a lot of time now, though.

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Cool well 1v1's will still be played on the most balanced maps we have and we can decide from there its pretty damn close at the top I expect the rankings will fluctuate a fair amount,  look forward to some games when I get back bros, if your rank changes feel free to update this thread.  Hopefully white and other more retired players like PIV will have some free time at some point and come compete too or organise a league /more complex way to compete fairly

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A new update to the rankings (remember these rankings are constantly in flux so don't be disappointed if your ranking is lower it can very easily change depending on how active etc you are, this is also just an approximation my input from my experience if you like to be adapted with other peoples input and experience, especially with regards to phd vs lovehandles)

 

 

Ferret has lost his number 1 spot due to what I presume is inactivity,  he has lost to much lower ranking guys as of late and in a bad way.

SMT has improved significantly and recently beat white in a 1v1 he truly is elite now a new member of the elite

Speedy Dash is excellent

Chem has improved as of late and has gone up the rankings, he keeps improving

Ghost is a new member of the elite , an old pro that just came back, he is already high up the food chain,

White has decreased in rank due to losing to SMT and via comparison like I can beat SMT and others that can beat white and so I now rank above white it becomes clear after a while even if 2 ppl don't face off he beat me b4 when I was a buggy spammer fair n square but im not longer that buggy spammer I play completely differently and much better now

Cn2mc ive beaten always, and he recently drawed with Mike Pence according to pence not sure if that's true or not

Weaver has had a what seems to be a decreased ability so much so that he cant even hang with the regulars' anymore, which is crazy since he was near top 5 just a short time ago, I think he has declined and the group of regulars has increased in skill . I beat weaver very easily multiple times now  after a long lay off on holiday. Step it up Weave! I know you are better than this!

Lovehandles remains rusty as hell but still potent as hell

PHD is likely number 1 but there is still doubt in my mind I cant handle Lovehandles at all, PHD I can compete with, with Lovehandles its not even competitive for me he wipes the floor with me totally and utterly.

Epheraim has been very inactive and so has probably fallen in rank as others have improved (same situation as Ferret but he hasn't played enough to confirm this its just a guess)

Mike Pence has gone up in rank despite playing multiple games and only being part time player of cnc1, he supposedly had a draw game with cn2mc , so at least cn2mc has the guts to face people in 1v1 this is good too many hiders and coward trying to protect their rank in the top 10

 

So the new rankings in my mind are as follows.

 

1) Lovehandles (It could be PHD but from my experience Lovehandles is harder and its not even competitive for me, Ive heard that PHD beat Love but Lovehandles is the type of guy that says someone is stronger when they are not, just because hes such a humble guy, I also didn't see or hear that PHD beat him from proper sources this is just what some ppl have said, problem is lovehandles demotes himself unfairly hes so humble so he spreads the wrong rumours.

2) PHD, could be number 1, but it doesn't fit my experience of playing both of them nor have I got proper confirmation,  please start recording game guys we want to see the rpos go at it and get the confirmation of the wins the evidence.  But yea rrumour has it that PHD is number 1 and that he beat Lovehandles, also note I am having very close fights with PHD but not Lovehandles , the same is true of Ferret vs Lovehandles my experience of Love seems vastly different to Ferrets and PHD's  and my experience of the other 2 is that they are not in the same league as Lovehandles but apparently that's not the case. It just goes against my personal experience so I find it hard to believe or accept.

3) Chem, I believe I am 3rd now,  I beat Ferret as of late easily, I believe SMT and other lower ranking guys have beaten Ferret too in a similar way, hes not the same guy anymore, largely but not entirely due to inactivity (also note when ferret beat me before and recorded it I would have won had it not been for the engie that he used, I didn't defend it or use it because I thought it was against his and whites rules, I would have won and you can see that in the video if it hadn't of been for the unexpected engie taking my 2nd airfield, the one time I fight under the no engie rule and it gets used on me, so anyway Ferrets super good but Im too nice I don't state the truth when I should because I want to be nice and not cause a rift with people, but this is an unhealthy way to behave so im saying even when I was a lot worse I was competitive with ferret and now im a lot better as im used tyo the new meta)

4) Ephraim I was beating last time we played I know he mostly relies on airfields etc I believe ive advanced enough at the official meta to out rank him and that he has declined via inactivity I believe this is enough for me to out rank him but we need to fight to truly know, its just an approximation, some people stay awesome even with inactivity some do not,, we need to fight again, Ephraim may well be 3

5) SMT is now probably number 5 hes shot up the rankings  hes damn good now, he beat white handily and I find him a struggle, think he beat ferret too

6) Ferret a super pro that has fallen badly perhaps due to inactivity but can perhaps rise up  again if he decides to be more active, but hes going to have a hard time vs PHD on any map and Lovehandles on a map like Green Acres and not on a map like blistering sands , also it would be good to see Lovehandles in shape and start facing people that way, rather than doing it in such a rusty state. 

7) White a solid player very technical knowledgeable and experienced hard for almost anyone bar the top 2

8) Mike Pence so hard to know who is better with him and white because white will not fight him even on his own maps for whatever reason that we do not know....  he drew with cn2mc lately but I give him the edge over cn2mc because I find him harder even tho I fight him all the time, and he faced cn2mc at his own maps so home advantage.

9). Cn2mc is an expert at 1v1 only, with lots of experience behind him and lots of knowledge of the game,

10) Ghost is ace newly active but an ancient player

11 Speedy Dash still damn good but havnt seen him play as much lately so I have to ranking him according to how he played last time we played im not sure if hes improved or stayed the same im ranking him as if hes the same its SMT that's changed so much and changed the dynamic, id like to see him vs speedy and fight speedy myself

12 Cat is like a lesser version of white but still very good, he may be better than speedy

 

 

Sorry if this hurts anyone's feelings our egos are on the line here, but I have to be as objective as I can be, and that often means I have to hurt the feelings of people I like in order to be truly objective. Also remember you can soon disprove me if you want just ask for a 1v1 and Im no coward I will fight anyone!! 

This is also just my input it needs to be cross examined with other peoples to get a more accurate list.

Also 3- 9 is highly volatile meaning anyone of them can drastically change position at anytime its very close

 

Also note these rankings are way more impressive than they seem, when Ferret or Lovehandles or PHD go to red alert they are very high up compared with the majority of players id say top 10% easily if not top 5% (most people you consider noob  in ra1 are actually average)  and they have a huge number of players so you can see even though our numbers are small we are a super tough crowd. Same applied to much larger numbers of people in other games, that void of average players gets much larger and the elite doesn't increase anywhere near as much

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Lol at the claims of you always beating me or Pence having even played me recently. But do keep on dreaming. Your imagination is amusing.

 

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11 hours ago, cn2mc said:

Lol at the claims of you always beating me or Pence having even played me recently. But do keep on dreaming. Your imagination is amusing.

 

I have always beaten you from my buggy spam days till recently,  sure you win some but I mean I win more  times than you do,  (I don't literally mean I beat you all the time that of course isn't true) our last game who won the majority of the games? PHD and Ggeneral were watching !  ;) You cant deny it now :). We both know its true also, you know the truth and I do and that will never go away either.

Also I shouldn't have even been able to touch you as a new guy, and you're the guy that specialises and near exclusively makes and plays only 1v1 and uve been playing for way longer than me have loads more knowledge and experience and time. Cmon man accept the truth.

Also I have to log in after a different name to get a match with you and whenever I try to fight you when uve set up a match you make excuses say maybe later and so on. You get angry when I play you under a different name.

Also I had no experience vs good GDI players at all it was a massive change in meta for me vs you every time and not the other way around on top of that you are unorthodox in style giving you yet more experience advantage and you still lose more than me than the other way around.

And its always on your map you always had map advantage to boot.  Low tiberium everything, low familiarity for me everything in your favour and you still lose more times than not.

 

Oh anyway I think its a misunderstanding I mean I beat you more often than you beat me, so yes that's what I meant by that. So a misunderstanding,

 

As for pence that's what he says and claims I never said anything other than that,  Im always sceptical of his claims, if it was true however hes equal with you on your map, playing your game, and he only plays cnc1 a little he plays tiberium sun the most so hes only a part time player for cnc1 and very new much newer than me. Only you and Pence know if this one is true or not.

 

Edit:  1 thing I will add though is that you said above here that you haven't played pence recently and in another post you said you played him about a month ago and you couldn't see any depth to his engineer game, you implied their in that engineer tips thread/cheese thread that you had played him recently, but deny it ever happened here.

 

 

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I could respond to your wall of text, but I didn't even read it all. Just glancing through, seeing I was ever somehow angry about whatever, made me chuckle. But do keep on. It is amusing.

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58 minutes ago, cn2mc said:

I could respond to your wall of text, but I didn't even read it all. Just glancing through, seeing I was ever somehow angry about whatever, made me chuckle. But do keep on. It is amusing.

Im glad you are so happy and not trying to get me back.... :)

Peace  bro

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White has decreased in rank due to losing to SMT and via comparison like I can beat SMT and others that can beat white and so I now rank above white it becomes clear after a while even if 2 ppl don't face off he beat me b4 when I was a buggy spammer fair n square but im not longer that buggy spammer I play completely differently and much better now

Can we stop these stupid ass threads?
I bet no one told you i wiped him out, GDI v Nod on Heavy Metal.

It's "unbias", but also written by 1 person. -.-

There's almost no one that I have a 100% win rate against, because if I play a string of games, I start switching up strats to try new ideas out. In other words, I play to have fun; I don't play to be harassed about my abilities in forum. This is exactly why I never play you. I'm tired of being judged about stupid shit by people who don't even know what they're they're talking about.

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