Question About Blue Tiberium "Trees"

[Syrene]

I've been trying out a bit of map editing and creation, and I had a question regarding Blue Tiberium spawning trees...Specifically, when I create an entirely new map in FInalSun and place down the labelled object "Blue Tiberium Tree (BIGBLUE3)" on the map...The object doesn't appear, or it will but will never spawn blue tiberium?

Is there something I'm missing out on here? I tried to make a copy of an existing map (Hot Springs) and noticed that there aren't any of the blue tiberium tree sprites in the map editor, but in-game some fields of blue tiberium have a crystal in them that doesn't spawn more tiberium...And when I place the blue tiberium tree sprite anywhere else on the map, it doesn't show up?

Very confused, any help with getting consistent results with blue tiberium spawners would be appreciated!

[bkmod]

Blue Tiberium trees are in default right? Just make sure you use (FS)Firestorm Extension when play map and you will see your Blue Tiberium tree after making your new map. 

[Syrene]

39 minutes ago, bk57 said:

Blue Tiberium trees are in default right? Just make sure you use (FS)Firestorm Extension when play map and you will see your Blue Tiberium tree after making your new map. 

Thank you for the reply! So, I've been testing my maps out (very roughly) by launching skirmish games using the cncnet client, and I hadn't yet used the Firestorm Game option box. I enabled the option and launched a skirmish game with one of my maps, as you suggested and...It crashed! So, I took an existing map I know has nonfunctional blue tib tree sprites on the map (they show up, but they're darker-colored and neither spawn blue tiberium nor even have the Tiberium Vinifera tooltip) - in this case Hot Sprints (Vet.Bal.2.49), placed a blue tib tree right by the spawns so I would see it right away, saved it as a separate copy of the map, and launched a game with Firestorm Game enabled. It also crashed!

My custom map and Hot Springs are both Snow Theater maps...And they both crash. Temperate maps, ones I make and ones that already exist where I made a separate copy with blue tib trees next to spawn (some Vet.Bal.2.49 and at least one that is not), all run if they're Firestorm-enabled games or not...But some, like Dueling Islands and Inferno, both Vet.Bal.2.49, will have functioning blue tib trees with a Tiberium Vinifera tooltip regardless of Firestorm Game being checked, while others (Pit or Plateau Vet.Bal.2.49 and Tiers of Sorrow) will only have visible, functioning (tooltip and blue tib spawning off of it) blue tib trees with Firestorm enabled. To be clear on Dueling Islands and Inferno, and really all of the maps I tested, I placed extra blue tib trees in addition to the ones that already existed in the maps...These two maps are the exception somehow but I don't know why?

I'm pretty confused now, heh. I honestly don't know what the differences between these maps that allows for working blue tib trees on some temperate maps and not on others, why the snow maps crash but only if I place down blue tib trees and run a Firestorm game(well, that one might be an incompatibility thing? I haven't played much Firestorm, I don't know if there are snow maps with working blue tib trees on them), or why my own maps made and saved by me follow the trend of functioning blue tib trees in firestorm games and non-present trees in non-Firestorm games.

If any more advice or help can be offered, by bk57 or anyone really, I would appreciate it! Otherwise, I'm not really sure what to do to make my maps work the way I want (I want to be able to play them with respawning blue tib without Firestorm needing to be enabled, basically).

 

[Syrene]

So, I did some more digging...Didn't know the client's blue button that said -NO CHEATS- at the bottom-middle of the window would actually expand another window for me to see information about the maps and it turns out the ones I mentioned where it didn't matter if Firestorm Game was enabled or not have some kind of modification to them that allows them to have working Tiberium Vinifera spawners. Guess that's part of the Vet.Bal.2.49 patch.

Sorry for bothering everyone! I guess I won't be able to make maps on my own that can have respawning blue tiberium until I learn how to mod that capability in myself. Don't know if that's possible for snow maps (favorite, really...But if it's not possible, so be it). Thank you to bk57, again!

Edited July 24, 2020 by Syrene

[bkmod]

perhaps this might help you to get rid of you errors 

 

[Syrene]

Thanks again! I'll read over this stuff, see if I can't learn how to simpler mods (hopefully this is simple enough that even I can work it out!)

[Humble]

[BIGBLUE3]
Name=Blue Tiberium Tree
Immune=yes
IsAnimated=yes
RadarColor=192,192,0
LightRedTint=1.00
AnimationRate=6
LightBlueTint=1.00
LightGreenTint=1.00
LightIntensity=0.01
SpawnsTiberium=yes
LightVisibility=4000
TiberiumToSpawn=2
AnimationProbability=.003

[TerrainTypes]
70=BIGBLUE3

Since CNCNET has some nice features that default game didn't, you can accomplish your objective by adding that code to your maps, then the game will render the blue crystal tib trees properly (even without Firestorm enabled).  This is how some of the Vet/Bal maps make FS maps work without FS.  This method works with the mutant trees as well.

It is also possible to make normal tib trees produce blue tiberium, but it is a bit more work and less pretty.

You might consider checking out the way the 'Big Bluntz Blue' map uses the blue crystals, using some special lighting that a very friendly modder gifted CNCNET.

Here is the code for the mutant FS trees if you are interested in that:

[FONA01]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=7
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA02]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA03]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA04]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA05]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA06]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA07]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA08]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA09]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA10]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA11]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA12]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA13]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA14]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[FONA15]
Name=Fona
RadarColor=0,192,0
YDrawFudge=-12
IsFlammable=no
SnowOccupationBits=6
TemperateOccupationBits=7

[TerrainTypes]
71=FONA01
72=FONA02
73=FONA03
74=FONA04
75=FONA05
76=FONA06
77=FONA07
78=FONA08
79=FONA09
80=FONA10
81=FONA11
82=FONA12
83=FONA13
84=FONA14
85=FONA15

 

Edited July 30, 2020 by Humble

[Humble]

@Syrene

[Jthe420]

the ini. for the blue trees is on point but why does it crash everytime?

is there a mod someone knows about for the crashing? im having the same problem, now that im out of the frying pan im into the fire....

[Jthe420]

after a bit of a search i found how to for the time being solve the issue.

just add Tiberiumtospawn=2 in the properties of one of the tiberium trees. 0 is regular 1 is large 2 is blue the red one isnt in the game tho even tho it is.

or look up on youtube "how to make a custom unit final sun"

itll be like part 5 of somthing or w.e. in the title

after watching that create a new tiberium tree. use whatever image you want just not [BIGBLUE3] or your game will crash obviously.

if you want to get into detail figure out what the root problem is or check the campaign maps and the few multiplayer maps that use the tree and see if they changed anything or its just working cause its working.

it might be worth looking into the rules.ini to see if its coded in properly. (it probably isnt)