I have finally played a game with a legitamite cheater who could control everyone's units.

[Radian]

It was a typical 4v4 Giants of War game. Mid-game, a few players started chatting: "WTF", "my game is messed up", one player immediately called out the cheating because his carryalls wouldn't land (I didn't know if he was for-real at first). I first noticed it when my own infantry scouts were going in the opposite directions that I sent them, at first I thought, maybe this new player in the back built some weird walls. 

Then my subs would take off on their own and start attacking my allies. Then my units, and the other 3 of my allies were all attacking another ally all at once. They were all selected and force firing on my ally. Pink, red, sky blue, and green troops force firing on structures in unison. 

There was no Shared Control, it wasn't on. No messages about a player giving control to another. Everyone in the game was like WTF is happening!

The player name was MindFCK (from the Netherlands, playing as dark blue). He is able to take control of everyone else's units. I don't know if he had a map hack, but it seemed like he couldn't control any of my stealthed units. 

One player who was there said he was previously warned about this player for cheating.

I genuinely couldn't believe what I was seeing. Any of the players who were there can confirm this report. Here is a snippet of the player's info in the lobby and the game it happened in:

 

[Radian]

[p1mod]

Honestly the CnCNet does a poor work for community support so you might wanna try use #privateconcerns under Discord: https://discord.com/channels/188156159620939776/1255190374029459558

[tracy22]

Hi Radian, 

First of all, i owe you and the other players in last nights match my apologies, for ruiining that single match.

To be honest , it was exactly my intend.

Let me explain : For months i've been asking the devs, to take the cheating situation serious. Time after Time, see my other posts please. i get the answer Nah, player <...blablabla...> is not a cheater. or no there are no cheats etc. 

My objective in the game we played : was to show all, what can and is possible if you have the know-how. The game is bugged. 

I've come accross some players (who where my inspiration, of creating the same) , but they are keen on hiding there extra capabilities. So well infact that unless you've been playing this game for years and on, you wouldnt even notice that you're being cheated. There so good at it that it hardly shows, while there having a huge benefit.

As an example. I was extreme in showing the controll over nearly every unit on the map (thanks to the buggy shared control interface that was introduced). However the players i talk about use it in a more sophisticated way.

For example : every communication packet between your and there machine, has a frame number. Some of the players i met, stopped my harvester every 10 frames, for 1 or 2 frames resulting in a slower economy for me of about 10-20% !!!! .. hardly even noticable, unless you have a very good understanding of the game mechanics... 

This has been going on for years. And i have a list of offenders i suspect. Currently im working on a detection method, that is actually based on the frames exchanged by the computers. Once completed i will share that with the community (since the devs are doing a poor job)... Then we can finally post a wall of shame. You'll be suprised at the names that will show up there.

 

So once again, my apologies. 

But the reason i did this was to be a whistleblower. Im a white hat hacker, so i will not be displaying anymore of these capabilities online (unless requested). If you still think thats reason enough to get me banned. Thats up-to-you, but please know 2 things: 

A : i made these because i was inspired by the other cheaters online.

B : Im trying to blow the lid in order to address these serious bugs.

 

Best Regards,

 

MindFCK aka... 2 many names to list here...

 

[Hottwire]

2 hours ago, tracy22 said:

Hi Radian, 

First of all, i owe you and the other players in last nights match my apologies, for ruiining that single match.

To be honest , it was exactly my intend.

Let me explain : For months i've been asking the devs, to take the cheating situation serious. Time after Time, see my other posts please. i get the answer Nah, player <...blablabla...> is not a cheater. or no there are no cheats etc. 

My objective in the game we played : was to show all, what can and is possible if you have the know-how. The game is bugged. 

I've come accross some players (who where my inspiration, of creating the same) , but they are keen on hiding there extra capabilities. So well infact that unless you've been playing this game for years and on, you wouldnt even notice that you're being cheated. There so good at it that it hardly shows, while there having a huge benefit.

As an example. I was extreme in showing the controll over nearly every unit on the map (thanks to the buggy shared control interface that was introduced). However the players i talk about use it in a more sophisticated way.

For example : every communication packet between your and there machine, has a frame number. Some of the players i met, stopped my harvester every 10 frames, for 1 or 2 frames resulting in a slower economy for me of about 10-20% !!!! .. hardly even noticable, unless you have a very good understanding of the game mechanics... 

This has been going on for years. And i have a list of offenders i suspect. Currently im working on a detection method, that is actually based on the frames exchanged by the computers. Once completed i will share that with the community (since the devs are doing a poor job)... Then we can finally post a wall of shame. You'll be suprised at the names that will show up there.

 

So once again, my apologies. 

But the reason i did this was to be a whistleblower. Im a white hat hacker, so i will not be displaying anymore of these capabilities online (unless requested). If you still think thats reason enough to get me banned. Thats up-to-you, but please know 2 things: 

A : i made these because i was inspired by the other cheaters online.

B : Im trying to blow the lid in order to address these serious bugs.

 

Best Regards,

 

MindFCK aka... 2 many names to list here...

 

If you know and managed to reverse engineer it why not fix it on our github repo or suggest how to fix it on the repo?

[JohnZpro Aka GetGood]

HotTwire  He's been a cheater for years on wol and xwis he makes them and thinks other ppl cheating i played nod vs gdi he think i money cheated after stealing his reffs hes a Ttl newbie LOL  One word mindfuck    GetGood 

[Radian]

5 hours ago, tracy22 said:

Hi Radian, 

First of all, i owe you and the other players in last nights match my apologies, for ruiining that single match.

To be honest , it was exactly my intend.

Let me explain : For months i've been asking the devs, to take the cheating situation serious. Time after Time, see my other posts please. i get the answer Nah, player <...blablabla...> is not a cheater. or no there are no cheats etc. 

My objective in the game we played : was to show all, what can and is possible if you have the know-how. The game is bugged. 

I've come accross some players (who where my inspiration, of creating the same) , but they are keen on hiding there extra capabilities. So well infact that unless you've been playing this game for years and on, you wouldnt even notice that you're being cheated. There so good at it that it hardly shows, while there having a huge benefit.

As an example. I was extreme in showing the controll over nearly every unit on the map (thanks to the buggy shared control interface that was introduced). However the players i talk about use it in a more sophisticated way.

For example : every communication packet between your and there machine, has a frame number. Some of the players i met, stopped my harvester every 10 frames, for 1 or 2 frames resulting in a slower economy for me of about 10-20% !!!! .. hardly even noticable, unless you have a very good understanding of the game mechanics... 

This has been going on for years. And i have a list of offenders i suspect. Currently im working on a detection method, that is actually based on the frames exchanged by the computers. Once completed i will share that with the community (since the devs are doing a poor job)... Then we can finally post a wall of shame. You'll be suprised at the names that will show up there.

 

So once again, my apologies. 

But the reason i did this was to be a whistleblower. Im a white hat hacker, so i will not be displaying anymore of these capabilities online (unless requested). If you still think thats reason enough to get me banned. Thats up-to-you, but please know 2 things: 

A : i made these because i was inspired by the other cheaters online.

B : Im trying to blow the lid in order to address these serious bugs.

 

Best Regards,

 

MindFCK aka... 2 many names to list here...

 

Alright, I've had some time to give myself to consider your post, AND going with what I know I will get a lot of disagreement and heat from the guys I play with on the regular (I'm sorry guys), I no longer think you should be banned. I do think you should stop though. If you could contribute and come up with a solution for this, it would be so incredible that I don't have words to describe it, and I say all this publicly in front of everyone. I am also an avid player for over 25 years.

I will admit, when I saw your previous posts, I thought you were making stuff up. I hadn't really given any thought to the economy reducing aspect of what you were saying, but I have now given it some deep thought and I find it plausible. I want to say, I've experienced that before. There are a handful of games that I have played, where that makes sense now, and after chatting with some other long time players, they tend to agree. Other's I've talked to disagree and I'll catch hell for it, but at least for me, I believe that's happened. There isn't a whole lot of cheating on CnCNet as far as I can tell, but I am convinced now that it does exist (other long term players now agree). 

I don't agree with cheating at all, but you've also made your point. Seems like you have the intelligence and ability to make a contribution to prevent it. Like I said, you made your point and proved it. Now you can be a hero and fix it. I won't push for banning you anymore, but I think you should use your gifts for being part of the solution. 

For what it's worth, I don't see you as a bad guy, but if you could help make it so no one could cheat, I'd see you as the best guy.