DecoyAUT Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Hi guys, I already invested quite some time trying to get tiberian sun running smootly. First tried to get it working flawlessly on WIN7, which after 2 days i stopped because explosions where still choppy and the overall performance was not acceptable although I fixed a few bugs (cheap buildings, ...) Now I'm trying my luck with VMWare and Windows XP SP3. I allocated 1552 MB RAM and have an Intel i7 CPU. After hours of configuration I finally started the game. After managing to get rid of the VMWare toolbar and a black frame around the game (the game was just a little picture, I had to adapt the resolution of WIN7 to the resolution of the game) I was finally playing. The good part was it worked amazingly well (after turning off DirectDraw). The bad part was only for about a minute. After that the game was screwed, even after reloading a savegame it was really choppy, even if the loaded savegame ran perfectly before. So after a few minutes performances breaks in (scrolling is an absolute pain in the a**, and the game behaves as something is loading in the background, which isn't the case), and also the game freezes whole XP on exiting. XP doesn't even recognize CNTRL + ALT + DEL anymore. Does anyone have any ideas? I would really appreciate if someone can help me, after all this time it would be cool to play the game finally without any problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Let me see if you understeand... you are running XP on a core I7? it will gerates a lot of issues. is like Running Windows 98 in a Dual-core machine... Use Windows 7 + (VMWare + Windows XP). - Let me guess... You have a GeForce 8000 series? - You can set Tiberian Sun to your native resolution edition SUN.INI inside SUN directory. This will fix the black frame around the game (still, a VMWare issue ) and will improve your visibility. - Where did you get TS? Did you set Windows 98 Compatibility mode for it? Also, use only 1 core for the VMWare, that will prevent that the Windows XP became crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecoyAUT Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 Sorry if I wasn't precise. I am running Windows 7 and on Windows 7 a VMWare with Windows XP SP3. - I'm running on a Gforce GTX 480 - I recognized that this would fix the resoultion issue, but I prefer to play the game on lower resolutions than my native one - It's Tiberian Sun from "The first Decade" DVD - Switched to 1 core (had 2 in the first place) and set windows 98 compatibility mode (hadn't done this before). I tried the game, unfortunatley the bug reoccured The really strange thing is that it first runs flawlessly good, and after a minute or so it starts to perform choppy. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that I can't exit without crashing the system ... By the way, I also tried switching DirectDraw on again and using the modified directdraw dll file you can find on some forums, didn't make any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Okay, forget about vmware a second. Let`s try to make it work wihout it. - Well, since you tried the modified DLL, we can make sure it will not gonna work. 1- Install the Removed DirectX9 Components. Those brainfarts removed those useful tools from Vista and greater for no reason 2- Use Windows 98 Compatibility Mode. 3- Check the "Remove Advanced text Scripts" from the compatibility tab. --------- I've read in somewhere that on newest geforce graphic cards, they removed some old components that was used for old games, then it will somehow emulated by the graphic card or wrapped by the driver. Also, if it do not work on the real machine, try it agan for Windows XP inside vmware. By the way, Virtual PC 2007 emulates the entire everioment, that means it will complete emulates the graphic card (a Trio64 8mb afik). VMware somehow port the graphics to the real graphic card. Well, try Virtual PC 2007 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DecoyAUT Posted August 13, 2011 Author Share Posted August 13, 2011 Thanks alot, I will try your suggestions this weekend, as soon as I find some time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberrant Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I am having the exact same problem. TS will run perfectly for up to a few minutes and then major lag sets in and when I try to quit it all dies. This is my PC specs. Windows 7 Home Premium Service Pack 1 32-bit Intel Core 2 duo P9300 2.26GHz 4.00 GB Ram NVIDIA GeForce G105M Bios Version: 70.18.27.0.3 Dedicated Video Memory: 512 MB Shared System Memory: 1263 MB Drivers are up to date. 160GB SSD VMware Player 4.0.1 build-528992 Running in Windows 98 compatibility. Using original TS game disks. Have tried dedicating 512, 1024 and 2048MB of ram to VMware and I get the same results. I have also turned off DirectDraw and installed the removed DX9 components. This problems happens to me running the original TS resolutions as well as when I modify the Sun.ini file. I'm at the point where I am either going to update to Windows 7 Pro so I can use Virtual PC or simply buy an older PC and see if I have any luck there. If anybody has any fresh ideas I am all ears! =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Uhm, well... Download and install the Virtual PC 2007, not the Windows Virtual PC. VPC2007 as i told before emulates the entire environment, and i think that accepts Win7Home as the Host machine. Then install Windows XP on it. I think that should work. Hifi! we need DDraw for TS! Search for someone that know how to emulate those GDI+ menus! [edit] Why not use Windows Virtual PC? Because it is like VMWare, somehow it ports to the Graphic card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberrant Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Uhm, well... Download and install the Virtual PC 2007, not the Windows Virtual PC. VPC2007 as i told before emulates the entire environment, and i think that accepts Win7Home as the Host machine. Then install Windows XP on it. I think that should work. Hifi! we need DDraw for TS! Search for someone that know how to emulate those GDI+ menus! [edit] Why not use Windows Virtual PC? Because it is like VMWare, somehow it ports to the Graphic card. Windows Virtual PC DOES NOT WORK on Win7 Home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tore Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 If you are going to use Virtual Machines I recommend VirtualBox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I don't know how virtualbox handle the emulation environment (if it is like vmware or vpc), but i"m talking about virtual pc 2007, not the windows virtual pc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberrant Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I don't know how virtualbox handle the emulation envirioment (if it is like vmware or vpc), but i"m talking about virtual pc 2007, not the windows virtual pc. I feel like a lame noob but when I google "virtual pc 2007" all I can come up with is the windows version. Who makes this other version you speak of?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 This one: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24439 Give it a shot. If you can't use VPC 2007 for using the Home edition of Windows 7, then try the VPC 2004 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3243 It works even on WIndows 98 SE as host machine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberrant Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 This one: http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=24439 Give it a shot. If you can't use VPC 2007 for using the Home edition of Windows 7, then try the VPC 2004 http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?displaylang=en&id=3243 It works even on WIndows 98 SE as host machine Yeah that is the one that doesn't work on Windows 7 Home Premium. I'm trying 2004 and Oracle Box now. Wish me luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberrant Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 VPC'04 does not work either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Well, if Now virtualbox do not work for you, The only way will be Botchs (something like that). But i advise you that Bochs isn't easy to run and configure. If then Bochs do not work, well, then i'm out of options. You then can try to buy an older graphic card just for playing TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aberrant Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 Oracle Virtual Box looked like it would work but suddenly.... Direct3D FAIL! Trying to fix with Wined3D but no luck so far. Does anyone know if VirtualPC'07 has Direct3D support? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pichorra Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Direct3D? TS DO NOT use Direct3D as far i know. Try to update the DirectX inside the VM. http://www.microsoft.com/download/en/details.aspx?id=35 Virtual PC 2007 also do not have D3D support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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