amokk

I believe that any player should have the opportunity to play any map I do not believe that anyone should be limited to any particular one or type You play what you like. I play what I like. They play what they like. no one has to play anything include both, exclude neither

It might not be everyone got it wrong except you.. I think wol got it right I think xwis got it right the entire history,experience and people involved define it The idea of a ranking system should be so the best player that plays TS should be ranked 1 is right if only a small part play on a small part of the played maps. it obviously won't show that only all the players playing having the opportunity to play all the maps will show that the community is the sum of all of its parts and you selectively allowing parts is obviously biased and self serving if the idea is to have a ladder to find the best in the community, and the community is everyone and every map, then the ladder must be just that THAT YOU THINK the players who play them have less skill and the maps they play take less skill so they shouldn't be included.. is not even a valid argument it is about which of the players has the most skill regardless of the map. the maps aren't flawed, the players who play them aren't flawed, you only allowing only those you think are worthy is @middlesky when mods were allowed on xwis the ladder had more activity so did the game. lol how is this complicated if the community is 10 or 100 or 1000 activity level, it is still the entire 10 or 100 or 1000, not the few and explaining, how simply excluding most of the community keeps the ladder from showing who the best in all ts , is complicated you're right. lol

I did not have the heart... Mole40k, That was a brilliant thought you had I am speechless that you figured out the real problem for some reason I thought his problem was with the maps..... and knowing that the people are the problem helps a lot.

thank you, now we can address your problem Punkernfg admits "The people who play them are the problem" Punkernfg admits "The people who play them are the problem" Punkernfg admits "The people who play them are the problem" thank you, now we can address your problem

Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Mods

I think you are right If I can find anything that is CnC that you don't have Ill award it to you . lol

a prize for anyone who can understand... don't let elmah read this or we will have to post a long disclaimer here too

i would play the chocolate teapot if it were fun and if I didn't like it I wouldn't keep others from playing it think ill give it a try

Dude, I played this map, and it was different! omg, there was more tiberium and there were walls. it was symmetrical, free radar omg sacrilege. it was called warlord, not warlord some units are different if you play this it will scar you for life it may cause cancer and give you heart disease. If you play it once you will be a modder and no longer able to think for yourself kiss your free will goodbye.(I miss anything?) I play then I forget it was different, then I play again and again ,I keep forgetting it's different thats how they recruit. brainwash and make them zombies It is so unfair, please make them stop someone else might accidentally play with them who dosen't know they might die!! its serious. you only get one chance then you dead. pushers preying on the new players" Psst, wanna play a mod? it won't hurt you , you like it / it will make you feel like you are in the womb." come over here into this dark corner of the lobby and join. we play it all day, we like it they say a epidemic, worse than heroin! mod map use up 140% 'I'm just a bill, I'm only a bill,' they are dangerous the Geneva convention should outlaw them like landmines and cluster bombs now i'm damaged and I can't work, I will never be able to play another game ever. my dog left me my houseplant saw this and wilted, o the horror, the horror I do not believe anyone enjoys those, impossible. lies! so unfair! they say they enjoy them and if I wanted to I could play what i like instead, deceptive. , I can't they are everywhere join a game it's a mod, I didn't notice it wasn't called terraces i couldn't discern that it wasn't forest fires there was no lengthy explanation of all the differences. mod maps are different, i'm not bright enough to remember that, deceived again a crime, a crime TS is ruined, even if i make a terraces game and it's what i'm used to, o i can't. someone, somewhere is playing a mod that ruins it for me they say I don't have to play that i have free will and can play what i want to,but they are still there, lurking in the lobby, just it being on the same server, it gives me shivers They should have to lock their games up, just in case one little mistake and i could die for it?? why didn't someone protect me from them?? Sincerely, Mr. sad sack ps. 4 months on this server and I haven't played one map with the same name yet someone changes something to give them an advantage an epidemic i see

disclaimer:: For the unsuspecting player mod maps often contain modded units , duh we will put a black box warning on the maps now they will be warned and/or they will figure it out after playing it once, hopefully all those scarred for life will get better. that cover all the bases? lol i've been fiended and cheated and duped and misled I know which maps are 'different' after playing tham once. is that what this is about? you played a modded map and someone used a cheat on you so now no one can play mods? wow good thing you did not stick your finger in the socket we would no longer have electricity.// someone cheating you is not us corrupting and sucking in everyone I didn't even know you could sell a silo on some bbg maps for cash lol no wonder i lost so many that's it no more bbg for anyone ever i will protect everyone now they will deal with me if they play bbg.. sorry someone cheated you, wasn't me, now can i play? I know they are different and i do not care, thank you may I have another?? smack! Thank you may I have another? smack! thank you may I have another?? You brought that garbage here and now you suck in everyone you can. You will regret this. It was here when I got here and it will be here after I am gone. I like warlord both ways. I really don't care if the units are modded I like the layout of the map and if i did so what? and everyone else, so what? are you going to 'cleanse' this server of modded units? a little genocide because you don't like modded units? modded units are not hurting anyone. Period. you live in the united states, so you know what i mean when i say ' we are all ' free ', we aren't imposing our will on you, or the new players, but you are imposing your will on us. I wish you no ill will, but corrupting? 'you suck in everyone you can' and if you are willing to make people 'regret' playing with modded units, for goodness sake go get some help. John

this is not your server and you have no business telling anyone to do anything

you sir, have lost your marbles did you know that dr. strangelove was loosely based on Peter George's thriller novel --Red Alert--. let me guess you play General Jack D. Ripper General Ripper explains to Group Captain Mamokke how he discovered the Communist plot to pollute Americans' "precious bodily fluids." I mean nodrescues plot to polute the Purity of Essence of ts on the cncnet server with mod maps I just took a year off playing and guess what a lobby full of mod map games when i started again. too late everyone plays mods here you should take you computer and hide in a mine shaft where the mod maps will not penetrate and then institute a breeding program to repopulate cncnet when the pollution has subsided. it is your only hope........ If you do not want other individual players playing mods tough, this is not your server and you have no business telling anyone to do anything we arent messing with your 'pure' games, leave us alone.

this is why i titled the thread like i did (7) [05:41 PM] <xxxxxx> dont fool people (7) [05:41 PM] <xxxxxx> asshole (7) [05:42 PM] <xxxxxx> to paly ur garbage shit I thought I should warn them I might have called it 'how to politely disagree' or' how to win friends and influence people' wait, Dale Carnegie took that title, nm seriously, Pete is right, play what you like, have fun. kudos to nodrescue, he has made a lot of fun maps. I am grateful to him for his efforts, and I have had many an enjoyable hour playing on his maps. Thanks Pete!

hows that going for you?

some people just can't handle their drugs (7) [05:40 PM] <xxxxxx> u fucktard (7) [05:40 PM] <xxxxxx> take ur garbage maps back to xwis (7) [05:41 PM] <amokk> don't whine in my room (7) [05:41 PM] <xxxxxx> dont fool people (7) [05:41 PM] <xxxxxx> asshole (7) [05:42 PM] <xxxxxx> to paly ur garbage shit (7) [05:42 PM] <xxxxxx> u motherfucker (7) [05:42 PM] <xxxxxx> i beat the shit out of u fucktard (7) [05:42 PM] <amokk> another tolerant human being i see (7) [05:43 PM] <xxxxxx> idiot.. (7) [05:43 PM] <xxxxxx> u fucktards have fucked this palce up (7) [05:43 PM] <amokk> sorry to hear that (7) [05:43 PM] <xxxxxx> yea go back to xwis and take urt stupid shit with u (7) [05:43 PM] <amokk> yawn (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> asshole (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> nodrescue clones are the worst (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> like urself (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> u suck (7) [05:44 PM] <amokk> yawn (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> and u better not drap new ppl into ur game (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> u motehrfucker (7) [05:44 PM] <xxxxxx> or i rage on u til ur ewars fall off (7) [05:49 PM] <amokk> you better eat a big breakfast you got a long day ahead of you (7) [05:49 PM] <amokk> u gonna play this for 15 ore years (7) [05:49 PM] <xxxxxx> stupid nodrescue clone (7) [05:49 PM] <xxxxxx> fucking shit up (7) [05:49 PM] <xxxxxx> u shld be flogged (7) [05:50 PM] <xxxxxx> retards (7) [05:50 PM] <xxxxxx> nodrescue knows u suck (7) [05:50 PM] <xxxxxx> so he dumbed the game down just for u (7) [05:50 PM] <xxxxxx> dumass (7) [05:50 PM] <xxxxxx> and chg the rules of the game (7) [05:50 PM] <xxxxxx> u fucktard (7) [05:51 PM] <xxxxxx> ts founders would be shocked to know how some1 has fucked their game up (7) [05:51 PM] <xxxxxx> idiot (7) [05:54 PM] <amokk> they would be shocked to have snipers added to the maps (7) [05:54 PM] <amokk> you heathen (7) [05:54 PM] <amokk> lol (7) [05:54 PM] <amokk> o you got a long hard life ahead of you (7) [05:54 PM] <xxxxxx> its anti-gdi unit dumass (7) [05:55 PM] <xxxxxx> gdi more powerful.. since u nodrescue clone .. u have no clue (7) [05:55 PM] <xxxxxx> bec only retards play nodrescue maps.. hes knows u suck (7) [05:55 PM] <xxxxxx> so he chg the ruls for u stupid (7) [05:55 PM] <amokk> well we all retards (7) [05:55 PM] <amokk> except you (7) [05:55 PM] <xxxxxx> u better ban all new palyers motherfucker (7) [05:56 PM] <amokk> so go fuck yourself (7) [05:56 PM] <xxxxxx> or il rage on u till your ears fall off (7) [05:56 PM] <xxxxxx> u fucktard (7) [05:56 PM] <amokk> everyone welcome in my games (7) [05:56 PM] <xxxxxx> u decepive moterhjfucker (7) [05:56 PM] <xxxxxx> i will beat the shit out of u (7) [05:57 PM] <amokk> dude you lose your mind or something? (7) [05:57 PM] <xxxxxx> no idiot... i know whats going on fool (7) [05:58 PM] <amokk> wel gtg game on (7) [05:58 PM] <xxxxxx> and how u nodresceu clones have fucked this place up (7) [06:22 PM] * xxxxxx is away (In game with: Qu3st10ns iFresHy PlasmaRider BigNasty Tsplayer) [big Bluntz Green 6 Original] (7) [06:24 PM] <amokk> dude they didn't start a religion yu a whack job (7) [06:24 PM] * xxxxxx is away (In game with: Qu3st10ns iFresHy PlasmaRider BigNasty Tsplayer) [big Bluntz Green 6 Original] (7) [06:32 PM] <xxxxxx> more retrd (7) [06:33 PM] <xxxxxx> if i catch u corrupting new plyrs i will rip ur face off (7) [06:33 PM] <xxxxxx> fucktard (7) [06:34 PM] <amokk> dude we gonna play mods you like it or not (7) [06:34 PM] <xxxxxx> u suck (7) [06:34 PM] <xxxxxx> for retards like urself (7) [06:35 PM] <xxxxxx> dumb down for u (7) [06:35 PM] <xxxxxx> idiot (7) [06:35 PM] <amokk> fine they are but we enjoy playing them (7) [06:35 PM] <amokk> and we will continue to (7) [06:35 PM] * xxxxxx is away (In game with: Tsplayer Qu3st10ns Zebedee Travis iFresHy Champion PlasmaRider) [big Bluntz Green 8 Original]

I think westwood's plan was to make lots of money

right, more risk more reward, less risk less reward

well Punkernfg, if allowing both kinds of maps will split the community, I propose mods only, more people play them if there were only mods would you play? you will have to learn some skillz if you want to compete though might be good for you, raise your skill level XD :roll: jk, I think both are the way to go I expect to the new player there are just maps.. lets not bias them "You're going to have a bunch of mod map clans and a bunch of ww map clans who won't play eachother" we already won't, both will give them the opportunity to play each other, then we just might not anymore

Those are important distinctions you bring up. "but my experience has been, that there have been countless players trying to get into the ww community but couldnt." Things are different here now. Xwis at the end was a old thing, old and grey and settled in its ways a closed off group of cliques. I see what you were talking about then. To the player playing for the first time here, now there are many more just starting this reminds me of westwood online at the very begining we have gone from being the ts community to being part of the new ts community I have seen many references to chess in this thread Chess is a fantastic game, but it is not the game it started out being. those ways it became 'different' over thousands of years. probably bothered those who liked it the way it was I expect that it is a much better game now, though after it developed and in some ways changed in red alert there are a huge number of boxes for different game settings as the players over the years have played the 'original game ' differently some ts maps have the free radar box checked.. but everyone gets it hidden things in modded maps vs things that everyone gets is a muddied point in this thread and the differences between us for a long time now TS, after 15 years of play testing and input it is a different game now than when it came out The new community will start from here, and will continue to evolve it into what they like. i really didn't like some of the 'game settings' changes some i came to like some i still don't but the game is better than without them and wouldn't be the same. to me it would be boring without the new ways. I hope we can clarify what the differences are and work out options for addressing them I think we clarified one of the ones between us, Sol Amokk

new players can host/play ww maps the leets kicking them does not keep them from playing ww maps experienced mod players kick new players too in the lobby at the moment 10 games 1 leet tezz (4 players) 5 new players ww map games (26 players) 3 mod map games (20 players) 1 ai mod map game (3 players) " that most players DONT have a choice. if you are new to this game, you will get kicked from every ww game and will only be exposed to mods." I do not see that. sorry

Mr. Frodo, said, Once there is a nice working ladder and plenty of map choices with no unfair cheats etc anyone should be able to play anybody on any map. It's quite simple really. well put, hear hear sol quote I'm not trying to bash modders here, i just really believe that most of the mod map players never actually had the choice between mods and ww maps. As a new player you pretty much automatically become a modder in most cases. And if someone decided that after 500 games of WW and 500 games of mods, that mods are more interesting, i couldnt care less. But I am convinced, that most players would actually prefer ww maps once they have become decent at them. >>> they have the choice every minute of every day to play both..in the lobby...!!!!! for now... and it seems that ww map players posts suggest that we do not give them the choice of which to play competitively if you have your way they will indeed never have a choice. ----------let us play competively, what we play------------- i have not seen even one hint at denying you the opportunity to play what it is that you like free will and personal preference are why they choose to play what they play ..,, for now if most become mod map players then most perfer mod maps and most deserve a ladder to play them competively on....... sol quote I have to disagree here. That's not what we are trying to accomplish. A lot of people, myself included, don't care about ranking. I don't even enjoy 1v1. We want to give the mod community an ---- incentive ----to play WW maps and ultimately convert them to WW players. The problem is that most modders don't know that they would enjoy ww maps. But once you have become good at them, they will understand. some of us see that one goal is to 'convert' them to ww map players to raise them from the 'skilless' depths of mod maps to save them shame on you for imposing your ideology on them like that that is truly some scary shit that you are proposing ww map players, we'll do the thinking for you..... the first 2 years i couldn't stand the mods, but given the opportunity to play both I came to play the mods more not some tyrant making me play the mods so that I would 'understand' that i would like them if you like ww better i do not have a problem with that. I do object to myself or others being deprived of the opportunity to play both I was lucky enough to have had the opportunity to play both and find what I like best not what you think i will like best please include both in the map pool so we continue to have have a choice, and the opportunity to exercise our free will.

The ladder is meant to showcase ranking among the competitive entire community

open both clients for now?

Punkernfg, good point If there are more mod players than ww players in the community then more than half, not half are being left out. The more than half should be included also Hope the new players don't learn to think ww players and mod map players but the community. we have an opportunity to solve that here and now It sounds like the maps could be served out so it should be easy to keep those unfair things out exclude the maps where all the players don't have the same opportunities as all of the other players on the map

Punkernfg ,allow me to address your comments because mod maps do not show the true skill of TS. --mod maps take the same skills applied differently, and applying those skills to a variety of situations is the true skill of ts. There will me mod clans top ranked playing shitty conflict or visc maps. --The top ranked will be the most skillful. Regardless of the map, or what your opinion of the map is If we want to build the activity and skill base of TS, you cannot reward newb mod players by giving them a ladder. --denying more than half the community a ladder will not build either the skill or activity of the community it will reduce it --the ladder is not a reward for those that you think are not newb, it is for everyone Making the ladder ww maps only, it will be an incentive for mod players to actually LEARN the game, and not sit behind infinite money and bunker bases. --Having both kinds of maps will be an incentive for both groups to learn This ladder can change the dynamic, activity, and skill level of this game for the better. --Yes , it can --Dynamic ---- for once all the players in the community will get to participate as one community not two factions --activity -------if both types of maps are there then both types of players will participate --skill level --- both groups learning to play both types of maps will increase the skill level of the community When we played years back, we had 2 communities split between ww and mod maps. Why would we allow that to happen again? --We shouldn't allow that again. --We have the opportunity to integrate everyone now with an inclusive ladder map pool Sure, mod maps can be fun, but when it comes to tournaments and rankings, there's no place for them. --the different maps that the members of the ts community play have a place in the ts tournament When you play Halo online, you can make your own maps and play them in forge, or w/e. But when it comes to mlg or matchmaking (which are ranked), you play the maps that were created for the game, by the creators, not the maps created by the players. --sorry to hear that The game and strategy was built around the maps that came with the game, by allowing maps that did not come with the game be available during ranked games, the ladder WILL be taken over by mod map players. --the game and strategy was applied to the maps that came with the game. --Now there are other maps also. --The ladder will be populated by the whole community not just the tezz players Mod maps are easier to play and thus, instead of newcomers learning how to play the game properly, and learning, they will settle with the less-skilled maps, and thus jeopardize the credibility and functionality of the ladder. --opponents are what you play in tournament not maps --a more skilled opponent will beat a less skilled opponent regardless of the map --the function of the ladder is to show the the most skilled ts player not the most skilled tezz player --only using a subset of the maps that the community plays will jeopradize the credibility of the tournament, it is supposed to be the best ts player not the best tezz player Please implement an inclusive tournament for the entire ts community. Amokk