Matt Posted January 25, 2013 Share Posted January 25, 2013 Is there a sound for "establishing battlefield control" or another good substitute to play when games are started? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Hmm, I doubt it. That was only introduced in TS, and unlike C&C1, RA doesn't have a computer voice that's used in briefing videos (or voice briefings like TS) you could plunder for sound clips. I could see if I can mix something together from the existing EVA clips... I've done that kind of stuff before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Tried my hand at this... http://nyerguds.arsaneus-design.com/junk/bctrinit.wav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 26, 2013 Author Share Posted January 26, 2013 For everyone who is not following the bugs.open-ra.org I will reveal you that clever Nyerguds ripped it from the awesome DOS Installer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DISkNm4Mfd0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted January 26, 2013 Share Posted January 26, 2013 Only the Initialized part... it's from "Sound hardware initialized". I made tons of such custom EVA sounds for the Spanish language pack, and for the TS-to-C&C1 mods DTA and ROTD Compared to thise, this was fairly easy... I've done actual cutting and pasting of separate vowels to get the right words. Luckily, TS has these EVA-read voice briefings, which gave me tons more material for that Spanish EVA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I've done actual cutting and pasting of separate vowels to get the right words. Whoah, cool! That's not an easy linguistic exercise, you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted January 28, 2013 Share Posted January 28, 2013 Yeah... it involved putting all Spanish voice briefings on my MP3 player, listening to them on my way to work, and pausing to write down the file and time whenever I encountered a sound I still needed, in the right intonation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 Out of curiosity, did you build those sound-by-sound or syllable-by-syllable? The latter seems like it could be a bit easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Uhh.. syllables ARE sounds. They were built by the syllable, or, more specifically, by transitions of vowels and consonants. You can't really cut out a consonant without hearing the vowels before and after it, or a vowel without the consonants around it. They always start going towards the next part of the sound before they end. Getting a single transition of vowel to consonant or vice versa is possible, but usually vowels are easier to cut off in the middle and combine. It depends on whether the consonant is short or drawn out, I guess. Sometimes I encounter several syllables exactly as I need them in some other words, but another problem is that finding the right word isn't enough; there's a huge difference between the intonation at the beginning, middle and end of a spoken piece. So I've often found the right word, but had to replace the start or end by the same syllable in the intonation I needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Uhh.. syllables ARE sounds. I meant sounds as in "allophones". Syllables, being build from those, are higher-level units and thus different. (Syllables consist of "sound matter" too of course, but the distinction between sounds and syllables is important in linguistics for a number of reasons.) They were built by the syllable, or, more specifically, by transitions of vowels and consonants. You can't really cut out a consonant without hearing the vowels before and after it, or a vowel without the consonants around it. They always start going towards the next part of the sound before they end. Well, that's just as I thought. Actually, it is possible to cut out single phones in the right phonetic surroundings and then glue them together in a desirable way, but that's certainly a lot more work (and probably needs some advanced software to do that neatly), and it's largely unnecessary anyway if you have enough starting material that contains all the desired sound-combinations already. Sometimes I encounter several syllables exactly as I need them in some other words, but another problem is that finding the right word isn't enough; there's a huge difference between the intonation at the beginning, middle and end of a spoken piece. So I've often found the right word, but had to replace the start or end by the same syllable in the intonation I needed. I'm not very familiar with Spanish phonology, so I don't know the specifics, but in many languages there are also various effects that modify sounds depending on their position within the phonological word, prior to intonation modifiers that arise from the structure of the phrase (vowel reduction is a nice example; apparently it's not observed in Spanish BTW). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted February 4, 2013 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Well, just stressed or unstressed vowels are a huge difference. So yeah, had my work cut out for me, but it turned out great Mind you, I probably wouldn't be able to do this stuff for languages like Russian or Polish. I don't really know Spanish, but I do know how it's all pronounced when I see it written down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share Posted April 7, 2013 How did you extract the voice without the background noice? I want to do the same for the C&C mod from DOS C&C installation. "Installation complete" might also be useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Umm... as I said, I extracted it. As in, from the installer's mix files, not by recording it from the installer process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen9109 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Wow Nyerguds that's one nice EVA clips you made. Btw you use Audacity to combine what the EVA says man? That's what I do. I like what you did to the RA1 EVA where it says "Battle Control Initialized". I'm amazed man. One more thing "Stealth Unit Detected"? Don't remember TD EVA even mentioning the word stealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 You could try to cut "NOD unit detected" together from "missile launch detected", "NOD building captured" and "unit ready". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Wow Nyerguds that's one nice EVA clips you made. Btw you use Audacity to combine what the EVA says man? That's what I do. indeed, I use Audacity. I like what you did to the RA1 EVA where it says "Battle Control Initialized". I'm amazed man. Heh, this was simple. Just separate words. Nothing to it. One more thing "Stealth Unit Detected"? Don't remember TD EVA even mentioning the word stealth. That's right. That took a ton of copying and pasting tiny sound clips to create the word You could try to cut "NOD unit detected" together from "missile launch detected", "NOD building captured" and "unit ready". I could... but why? You need it for something? Last I checked this wasn't Dune II... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen9109 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Wow Awesome Nyer. You're a better modder than I am as of now lol. Truly a hardcore fan of C&C Where did you get the "Stealth Unit Detected" anyway? I know "Unit Detected" is from TD but "stealth" no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 9, 2013 Author Share Posted April 9, 2013 Does the "stealth unit detected" sound better in-game. It sounds like it swallowed some syllables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen9109 Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 Yep I noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 As I said, I pasted it together from other clips. As in, just the word "Stealth" is made out of clips from at least 4 other voices. I don't remember which ones that were. May still be on my PC, but I'm at work right now, so I can't check. So yeah, There's simply no way to get it better. I don't just happen to have a Kia Huntzinger locked in my basement, you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFlibble Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 So yeah, There's simply no way to get it better. I don't just happen to have a Kia Huntzinger locked in my basement, you know Perhaps someone could make a decent impersonation? (or should I rather say "impression" in this context? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyerguds Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Why? It's supposed to be a computer generated voice. It's okay if it sounds a bit odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkVen9109 Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 "Kia Huntzinger locked in the basement" HAHA that's funny Nyerguds. Anyway I guess that proves the answer to Matt's question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldroll Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 That dos installer is really cool! I wonder if it is possible for modders to get it to work with newer source ports of Red Alert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Posted May 31, 2013 Share Posted May 31, 2013 There is a polish application called "IVONA", which is a complex voice-synthesizer for over 50 languages from all over the world. With enough knowledge of voice-editing the results may be satisfactory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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