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Fu3lman's "Gifts Ungiven" (Updated)

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EDIT: Map has gone through a few revisions to resolve pathing issues, and to provide land-bridges (finally) as well as make staging more difficult if done outside of enemy base. The overall area given to each player has also been increased 50% for factory ramping.

Players: 8, mostly mode-agnostic unless starting lopsided with uneven player amt.
Money: 214,600 with roughly half being "high stakes" and 1/5 being outside immediate base boundaries.
Triggers: None, other than periodic thunder sound effect.

My best shot at an 8-player "fair as possible" map that doesn't force players into overextending until they have the field presence to do so. Naval combat is something I've never really fleshed out before in my maps, and I used this as an opportunity to try and remedy that.

Feedback is welcome, and any changes/improvements/etc will be reflected here.

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Map/thumbnail updated.
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How did you create these camera angles? The map looks nice from an aesthetic point of view. The fully bridged pathways to the enemy is sth. I dislike, it limits the tactical depth. But in general : nice one!

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EDIT: I took your advice (Cypher) to heart when working on the above version. If you get the time to try it, let me know if it "feels" any better.

The camera angle is just perspective being adjusted by resizing the (wide) image to a 1:1 aspect. It's definitely a weird effect.

I'm not a huge fan of the fully bridged paths to enemies either... so it's no coincidence that I've been working on creating a version of this map where the outside bridges are replaced with solid land paths without breaking the agency of naval on the map. The inner bridges are the cost of doing business in that respect. Thanks for the comment and the kind words :)

I'll update the above post as soon as I'm satisfied with it, and if you wouldn't mind downloading/trying it, I'd love more feedback.

 

 

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let me show you something. looks okay 

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press ctrl-f for framework quick and now you can see a little better 

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fix those little errors quick and press ctrl-d for down syndrome depressed tile mode quiCC 

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you can see theres some more errors.

so you might not notice these kinds of things on a multiplayer map between people, but little errors like these can make your computer AI's get stuck in little computational pathfinding loops and kill the whole AI outright. ra2 is kind of forgiving in this sense, but its smth to think about.

also i want to mention that ravage is not even good at making maps, before he comes in here telling you what you did wrong and why you should eat some tide pods.

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EDIT: Having zero luck finding a solution using Google-fu, and not sure if there even is a solution for it.

I'm having trouble getting the unpassable terrain on the upper rims of some of the cliffs (particularly the camera-facing ones) to "occur" with either the cliff painter or manual placement. Are there any easy solutions to this, or something I'm overlooking? Ideally, I'd love an "invisible_unpassable_tile" as there are areas that I'm currently cordoning off using... of all things... bridge repair huts due to visible area breaking the symmetry of the map.

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use ctrl-d to sink the cliffs and look closely. you will see on the lower left your height indicator 

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and that will tell you what is cliff and whats behind the cliff, so you can make it seamless. i dont think fa2 has an impassable invisible tile, but rocks should work (except chrono legionaries picking up crates) 

map looks pretty good dude.

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