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Yes, 99% of players play with Firestorm off. I agree with you that some of the changes were neat but the majority of the player base rejected it and remained on the base game without the expansion. Basically the reason why is a few community leaders from back when it was released proclaimed that they didn’t like it and the all of their followers and suck ups globbed onto their opinion. I am only speculating that Firestorm is the reason for your errors. Many recon errors are caused by glitches around units and structures (for example the NOD laser used to cause recon if you scrolled your screen past one at the wrong time while it was firing). It’s possible that some of the Firestorm specific units have bugs that nobody has ever fixed due to the scarcity of its use. Vet maps will say “vet 2.7” in the map title and can be found in their own group category on the map selection menu. You can find a change log for all the updates associated with it on this forum as well as our Discord channel which you can access by clicking the discord button on the top right of the cncnet client.

100 + moving units on the map is a lot, especially if it took you a long time to make them. Not sure if that’s the cause or not. Make sure you are using the vet patch version of the map and have all updates installed. As long as you have windows 10 it’s unlikely that your computer specs have anything to do with it. Connection stability shouldn’t be that relevant with only 2 players in the game either. Most likely it’s just a factor of the length of the game + total units moving around. Consider playing games without Firestorm option on. There may be some errors associated with it that nobody has bothered to fix since virtually nobody uses it.

Why ask when you are one of the players who advocated for a multi-username system to allow that sort of disingenuous manipulation? Just accept that you don’t know and that they’re trying to take points from you without losing points on their main account. We all had a chance to give input on the system parameters. The rational and fair people asked for a legacy tournament system with fair and balanced rules while the historical cheaters asked for multi usernames and unfair maps. It seems there was a 50/50 compromise with fair maps but bad rules around pushing rank and multiple logins. Deal with it

Depending on how long your game is lasting and how many total units are on the map it might just be limitations from 1999 game code.

Zenetusken never won vs tiger/top. I gave mola a 10 for micro and 8 for macro. And that's not a troll, that's my honest opinion on you & hitmans ability level.

Allow me to fix this for you. Tier 1 Mola: 10, 10, 8, 10, 10, 9, 10, 8, Tiger: 9, 9, 10, 8, 10, 8, 9, 9 TopRush, 9, 9, 9, 9, 9, 8, 9, 9, Carnage: 10, 10, 10, 10, 6, 10, 10, 10 Humble: 10, 10, 10, 10, 9, 10, 10, 10 Trooper: 8, 10, 10, 9, 8, 8, 7, 9 Cambria: 10, 10, 9, 10, 8, 10, 10, 9, Skylegend: 10, 10, 10, 9, 9, 9, 10, 9 Corpsmakr: 9, 9, 10, 8, 5, 8, 8, 9 Greyhonda, 9, 9, 9, 9, 6, 8, 9, 9 Energy: 8, 9, 8, 8, 9, 9, 8, 8 ------------------------ Tier 2 NME: 8, 8, 7, 8, 9, 8, 8, 8, Sexpro: 9, 8, 7, 8, 7, 7, 8, 7 Hitman: 8, 8, 9, 7, 8, 8, 9, 10 Rob: 7, 7, 7, 6, 7, 7, 6, 7 MJVD: 8, 8, 8, 7, 8, 8, 8, 9 FakeMammy: 8, 7, 8, 7, 6, 6, 7, 8 House: 6, 6, 5, 6, 7, 7, 6, 7 TRZ: 8, 8, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8, 9 Zenetusken: 8, 7, 7, 7, 8, 7, 8, 8 ------------ Tier 3 Wonder: 5, 4, 5, 1, 7, 4, 4, 6 Pence: 5, 5, 4, 3, 6, 5, 4, 4 DGT: 5, 3, 2, 3, 2, 3, 3, 4 Firestar: 4, 6, 5, 4, 5, 4, 5, 4 Cabal: 4, 6, 3, 3, 6, 6, 4, 4 Rami: 6, 6, 4, 6, 6, 5, 5, 5 Black: 15, 15, 15, 15, 15 ,15, 15 ,15

Just because you don’t like something doesn’t make it toxic. How is getting cheated and complaining about it toxic? Cheating is a major problem in all games,sports,activities. It’s human nature for a large portion of the population. How is it toxic to kick new players? There is no way to give a handi cap to balance skill levels, playing unbalanced games is a waste of time, New players almost always lag the game, and Probably 1% of the new players I’ve ever run into are willing to listen and comprehend basic human communication. It’s not toxic to avoid wasting your time. If you want to play with us take a second to insure you don’t lag, speak with us before hand and let us know you had the wherewithal to adjust settings and test them out prior to joining our game and that then prove your capable of listening, following instructions, are interested In learning, etc. if you can show that you have the functionality to get on discord you will show competence and ability beyond 99.9% of TS players new and old. Don’t just join the game, have a sky high ping, Not say a word to anyway, and then get mad when you are kicked. TS is mild, and the biggest mouths are obviously heard the loudest. There are only a few people that truly embarrass me as members of the community. Spend 5 minutes on EU-main server on RUST then come talk to me about toxicity on TS. Spend 5 minutes on a counter strike GO reddit, spend 5 minutes on a fortnite YouTube video etc.

Ok boomer, @mola, there are defiantly toxic players. But a lot of people confuse getting called out for their lazy game play as being toxic. Just because I’m trying hard and get upset that my partner/s didn’t bother to perform basic common knowledge short game meta doesn’t make me toxic for suggesting they pay attention and execute the basics. In fact, I’d argue that the people who refuse to do what’s required with early infantry and expect their partner to deal with doubles and not call them out for it as more toxic than the former. But really, outside of battilized, and recently finecigar I can’t think of anyone who is particularly abusive whom isn’t already chat banned for it.

Corps I don’t think you have much experience with other games (I could be wrong?). As weird as TS players are the toxicity is pretty mild by comparison to any other game I’ve ever played besides MMORPGS.

Bump.. (pin thread maybe?)

NME made a troll map with flying cyborg that shoots EMP cannon and can’t be targeted or damaged. The map title is altered and also shows in the warning box on the bottom of the client.

Considering you are one of the 4 members of the TS community that doesn't support the vet patch, I'd appreciate contributing more than baseless conjecture to this discussion.

Around a year ago battilized threatened to hack me over some lost games and shortly after I got a notification that someone in Southern California (where battilized lives) had attempted to access my email account. No, I didn’t save anything that would be considered proof.

Same builds still work.. 4 ref is king 5 ref for hyper safety infantry, 1/2/ ref for fast disrupters or apc, 3 ref for hybrid. You might notice slight differences in your money usage with the 58-60 FPS games compared to 52FPS from WOL/XWIS as units build faster and harvester travel time is slightly different. But its not major enough to justify different build order. You just have to time your infantry production a little differently. Vet has absolutely 0 effect on money/build order Most games are determined by who does better with early game infantry. Which makes it somewhat mind boggling to me how many players don't focus more on it. It's much more difficult than it used to be because of cncnet client being faster with no delay outside of player lag. But again, VET patch as nothing to do with it.

Could be a good idea to do it through discord roles. Unfortunately the vast majority of TS players are scared/allergic to discord/voice chat.

I mean, it requires effort from someone who is both unbiased and knows what they're talking about. And has a positive respectable standing with both the player base and the the leadership team. Good luck with all that.

You should reword this to as developers "left it" as opposed to "intended it".. It's likely that the developers, had the continued to support the game, would have moved in a direction similar to what the Vet patch offers. Which promotes balance and units having a purpose. However, they elected to abandon the project in pursuit of other endeavors that would earn them more money. Is it not reasonable to assume that the devs wanted a game that was balanced and for their units and structures to all have a purpose? It's well documented that the game was rushed to release in a highly unfinished state due to pressure from EA. In my opinion, leaving TS in its legacy state is giving in to a extremely predatory companies desire to maximize profit at the expense of quality and completion(Something they have been guilty of and highly criticized for on countless occations. Is it not a reasonable assumption that if Westwood had continued to update and expand the game that they would have made changes to existing units/structures as well as added content to complete their vision? That is all that the vet patch has done. It's not changing the game, it's completing it. You are holding respect and authority to developers that sold out and abandoned their project. (I'm not saying that's a bad thing as the entire point of having a business is to make money, but nonetheless, it negatively impacted their products). I really don't understand why anyone holds the legacy state of these games in such high regard as their were so many problems, oversights, and incompleteness. There are interviews from developers stating that they had planes on many changes and content, for example, the drop pods were intended to be customizable with which infantry units they dropped, and was intended to be released prior to the firestorm expansion (Explain why pre-firestorm GDI has no counter to the NOD chem missle?). Therefore arguing that TS should be left alone is arguing that the game should be left in a incomplete, broken, sold out state of extreme unbalance, constant errors, and perpetual latency problems. I encourage everyone to embrace the effort of progress put fourth by the communities intelligent, rational, open minded, and hard working players that have decades of intimate experience and understanding of the game. And let us all collaborate appropriate and intended updates to perfect the game.

Unfortunately I don't believe there is any solution for this at the moment. Limitations from 20 year old p2p code.

The final post in that thread cracks me up

Name 1 player that is horrible on terrace but dominates on other maps.

@WeaponX Tiger is just trolling you

Corps, I think you should examine your perspective about one thing. TS, is absolutely in fact, OURS. The developers abandoned it. The game belongs to the community that loves it.

Congrats corps in winning, hope you have fun with your prize. thank you cncnet for all your support and interest.

I donno, I think being good on cncnet is much harder due to the faster pace without the client delay and 60 FPS.. we used to be able to time carryall lift offs differently which took some skill and but those tricks would come back and be basically abused by what we’re capable of now being used to cncnet speed if we went back to WOL/XWIS. Imagine having almost twice as much time to think, prep, and react to whatever is coming your way. Remember how games under 3 minutes didn’t count? You can easily 1 ref and have a diss in someone’s base is less than 3 minutes now. Anytime an old schooler comes back they’re skill level is cut in half by not being used to the speed and fluidity of cncnet client. And they get frustrated and leave instead of taking the time to get used to it. And figuring out what things you need to cut out and new things you are capable of with the increase in money etc. It’s also why people have so much trouble with early game infantry outside of those I mentioned above. That shit almost never happened on WOL regardless of a players competency because there was so much extra time to think, look around, and react. i think even mid level players that are used to cncnet would stomp the vast majority of WOL pros from the old days. Old schoolers have come on cncnet time and time again and proven they can’t hang with us. I think only the very special players that actually got good on their own merit rather than being trained and hand held by other players would be able to adapt, like schaf for example. I wish he would come on so we could see how he would handle it and how long it would take him to adjust. (Although rumor has it Tiger has been known to share his username with a German player that is much better than him)

I check my discord multiple times every day. Message me before the end of this week or I’m moving on to the 2nd place winner.