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The latest version of the veteran upgrade / balance patched maps is 2.24. It basically makes medics, cyborgs, wolverines, buggys, obelisks, slightly better (actually close to being worth their cost). It also allows units to get upgrades after killing 3x or 6x their value in other units. The main difference between version 2.24 and other versions, is that it really focuses on making NOD more reasonable (without making it over powered). The very large majority of 'pro' players still stick with GDI, even knowing the upgrades to NOD. One example is on normal TS, tick tanks would loose 99-100% health to one bomber pass, now they have similar armor to titans, yet act the same way vs other units like MK or GS. Cyborg Commando still misses moving targets, but not as frequently, making building a TON2 and buying a sub/CC more worth it, but not changing its damage vs buildings. GDI is pretty much left alone, besides medic and wolverine, and the vet. upgrades. I have a list of all the changes, and the reasons why, as well as some bugs found in the coding of the game that have also been fixed in this version that I need to finish and get posted, but for now those are the general changes. Some players are resistant to playing the vet/balance map, but 95+% of them refuse to play NOD. Some pro players like c0rps who does play nod still prefers the old version, but to be totally honest, if he looses 2-3 games in a row vs another pro player, he is very likely to switch to GDI and completely smash his opponent. Something to take into consideration as well, is NOD defense and attacks both require much more timing and micro control, and the CNCNET game speed is 60 FPS now instead of the 52 FPS it used to be. That may not sound like a big difference, but if you play on a high level, it is insane. Coupled with the fact that CNCNET has reduced 'delay' for timing attacks/defense, and less lag (in most games), it really makes NOD that much harder. One small example is that rockets/bikes don't really damage moving targets unless you constanty move/re-position them and defending 2-3 disruptor attacks at the same time in high speed games can be intense. Something else to take into consideration is that even in a game with a pro NOD player vs a pro GDI player, there may be a rather large skill gap between them, that allows the other to play NOD. c0rps for example is one of the top players, even when rusty, so he can get away with playing NOD vs the average other 'pro' players, but if someone good enough logs on he is less likely to win with his NOD and more likely to win with his GDI. A lot of the reasons above are valid points, but at the end of the day a lot of players are simply stubborn. The same players that complain every other game about what sucks about NOD, are the same ones to complain about anyone trying to fix NOD up at all. A lot of players have also got used to never using medics and don't think they should even be in the game, or don't like the veteran upgrades, but fact of the matter is vet upgrades were built into the game, and rendered disabled due to the game being rushed out and lack of support for patches. When the game was first released, NOD was way overpowered, so they nerfed it down a bit to compensate, but after doing so never stuck around to actually see how things played out, which was basically NOD sucking, unless you have 5 cups of coffee, 2 energy drinks, and are a top 5 player out of hundreds. If you guys knew how many super pro NOD players came back to CNCNET and switched to GDI it would put this post in perspective.

on the new vet patched maps tick tanks are a lot better. normal game concrete armor gets raped by bombers easy, but in the vet maps they are just as resistant to railgun (mk/gs), but are good vs bombers. keep in mind that colored terrain (sand/green/grey) slows down all wheeled units and having to deploy and undeploy tanks is a big pain for numerous reasons.

BTW, where is Brian?

Yes it is dead, we all play on the free cncnet client.

hi

they be hackin of the ppz ?

Not sure why there are so many Terraces 1.6, but e54051ec3179e64767d2382943e117724c8a1141 is the correct checksum. It would be nice if at some point the cncnet client could allow map makers to submit new releases of their maps to cncnet somehow. It seems people are making modifications (whatever they may be) to maps, and using the same original title (like the one Kevin mentioned that someone for some weird reason added randomly placed invisible units/buildings on).

Sorry you feel that way Tomo! Some things to maybe take into consideration: 1. If a player is that much better than you that you feel they are able to take advantage of the Veteran Upgrade System so much, then you are probably better off not 1v1ing them to begin with, since there is a obviously such a huge gap in skill levels. Maybe start with some lessor skilled players and work your way up. 2. In team play games, if you focus on balancing out the teams, there should be at least one good player on each side that can utilize the vet system. 3. Maybe start practicing not wasting units, especially MK / CC. 4. There has to be more like 50 semi-active players that can easily get Veteran status units, and in games where all players are newer the playing field should be even anyways.

1.6 b does this: cyborgs and medics are a bit better (trying to make them not worthless) wolverines and buggies are a bit better stealth tanks can q and have slightly better armour / firepower (they require tech and are 1.5x cost of titans, they shouldn't suuuuuuck) obelisk has slightly better armour tick tanks do not get raped by bombers, but take damage from them as titans would (but they still have same armour vs everything else, including mk/gs rail gun) tick tanks have slightly better armour/fire power while deployed (making them sliggghtly better than titans while deployed, but still lessor than titans while not deployed) sub apc can bareeeeeeely survive a mk shot, to help people have slightly better chance of getting a star cc, which is very hard main goal for this is to get more people playing nod and minimally balance out the shortcomings of nod (99% of players play gdi these days, especially due to fast game speeds and nod requiring mass micro) i'll get around to making a complete list of all the veteran upgrades sometime soon, they are very even between nod / gdi units, and the mk / cc are the only significantly strong ones.

HI mate! Long time no see!

Makes more sense now that you mention it being on CNN!

makes more sense than the official story

Thanks. Sorry for posting in wrong area.

yoyo, why was my topic about the shortbus deleted

With that level of high energy you should be in shape in no time!

BTW, how are we supposed to know how you 'look' without a picture? .........

Pretty decent, Some parts I like a lot and some parts I like a decent amount. Since you have the super mario world mushroom as the channel icon, I give it 4.5 stars, tho!

-_- Katze is cool, but I miss Matze (Evil hysterical Laugh) Pretty little kitty BOO BOO!

I live in S.W. Michigan, in the country, but am 1.5-2 hour drive from Chicago and about same to Detroit. I just figured your more likely to recognize Det./Chi. as general area. Besides, I thought maybe you visit another TS player in Chicago and I come say hello while you there P.S. Don't be scared of crime rates and since I know you don't goto church, workout a lot and get a weapon permit

Where are the real germans at?

LMFAO!!!!!!! I saw toprush on yesterday and he has just been busy. I forgot what he said about tigerr, but i think they both just been a bit busy with life stuffs.

Just do p90x 10 times a day mate! Np ez! If you black out, just continue where you left of as soon as you wake up

yo bro if u end up in michigan / chicago area feel free to hit me up anytime