C&C95 Map expanding research

[pichorra 1]

Well... I'm collecting information about how the game calculates and renders the cells. Any information are welcome.

 

What I know:

 

The max size of a C&C95 map is 64x64. If you edit the INI and try to put something large than it, the game would crash due a buffer overflow. So after digging into the game's code, I found that the map's andress is stored in .var:0053DDC0 . I found where the .exe calculates the length of the map:

 

004681B9: mov dword ptr[edx+28h], 40h

004681C0: mov dword ptr[edx+2Ch], 40h

 

after it, there is a integer multipler operator that calculates it's area. Then in some function where __wcpp_2_ctor_array__ is called, it get that value and times it by 0x21 and then, the array is allocated. So a map is:

 

typedef struct
{
         char unknown1[4];
         char tileset;
         char tilenumber;
         char[0x1B] unknown2; 
} Cell;

Cell[64][64] Map;

????

 

Of course, changing:

 

004681B9: mov dword ptr[edx+28h], 40h

004681C0: mov dword ptr[edx+2Ch], 40h

 

to

004681B9: mov dword ptr[edx+28h], 80h

004681C0: mov dword ptr[edx+2Ch], 80h

 

would avoid the game from crashing if you load an ini with 64 <= Length and Width <= 128, but the results are:

 

 

Thanks

[Iran 42]

The game uses a macro in tons of spots the get a lower row of cells by doing some optimised integer mathematics with the assumption that the width of a map is 64.

[pichorra 1]

Any documentation about the macro?

[Nyerguds 135]

Any documentation about the macro?

Macros just mean that the code for it is actually copied into all these spots, instead of calling one central function. In other words, it's hell to find and modify them all.

[pichorra 1]

That's bad.

[Nyerguds 135]

Also, my own fix for the radar crash when the screen res is larger than the map also just uses a hardcoded value of 0x1000.

 

You'd also need to fix all foundations of buildings and terrain pieces, since they all rely on a 64 cell wraparound for going one row of cells lower. And then I'm not even talking about the basic movement logic of moving a unit down one cell, which undoubtedly does that too. The reason I've never even considered expanding the map sizes is because it's such an insane amount of work.

[Iran 42]

> The reason I've never even considered expanding the map sizes is because it's such an insane amount of work.

 

Same here.

[Chimas 10]

Turning it into a SVN project splitting the long job list in smaller parts and using the ticket system to prioritize and share the work with more people wouldn't be interesting?

[pichorra 1]

Yeah, but we will need more people.

 

Do you guys have an occourence of that macro in the code?

[Iran 42]

I hardly know how the macro works and what other code is used based on the 64x64 limit and 64 width, sorry.

[Nyerguds 135]

Yeah, but we will need more people.

 

Do you guys have an occourence of that macro in the code?

Macros are in the original C++ code, though. They don't always translate to the same things in the compiled assembler code, since the compiler just uses whatever registers are still unused in the function at that point, and whatever variables might've been inserted into the macro as arguments.

[Karpet 0]

If you were, to say, expand the map by 1 cell, would it still be an insane amount of work?

(not that I actually want the map expanded by 1 cell)

[cn2mc 188]

If you were, to say, expand the map by 1 cell, would it still be an insane amount of work?

(not that I actually want the map expanded by 1 cell)

 

Theoretically, expanding the map by one cell is just as hard as expanding it by 64. I'm not a programmer but this research intrigues me and, as far as I understand, it's not the number of cells themselves that are the problem but the way the game counts them.

[pichorra 1]

If you were, to say, expand the map by 1 cell, would it still be an insane amount of work?

(not that I actually want the map expanded by 1 cell)

 

Theoretically, expanding the map by one cell is just as hard as expanding it by 64. I'm not a programmer but this research intrigues me and, as far as I understand, it's not the number of cells themselves that are the problem but the way the game counts them.

 

Exactly.

 

I've talked with one of my Teachers. As Nyerguds said, sometimes it doesn't generate the same code (it can generate a different code that do the same thing), especially a smart compiler like Watcom. Finding all occorences will be hard, but not impossible.

[Myg 71]

The original watcom compiler was free/open source? last time I checked online (of the era). If that still fails you, you can always try the campaign server idea and simply make a huge map out of segments.

 

Iran came across some really interesting things, like saving maps states and exporting upon victory. Used in conjunction with a map resource generator, you could create an almost always persistent online world for the game (with endless borders).

[pichorra 1]

The original watcom compiler was free/open source? last time I checked online (of the era). If that still fails you, you can always try the campaign server idea and simply make a huge map out of segments.

 

No. It was a commercial compiler. Probably the older OpenWatcom is the most acurracy compiler we can get.

 

Iran came across some really interesting things, like saving maps states and exporting upon victory. Used in conjunction with a map resource generator, you could create an almost always persistent online world for the game (with endless borders).

I don't know about endless borders, but that would require an insane amout of RAM memory.

[Nyerguds 135]

Well, saving map states is kinda what they did in RA for those missions where you return to an expanded version of the same map later and get your old base there, no?

[Myg 71]

Basically, the watcom excuse is bogus, there is plenty of documentation.

 

The RAM aint an issue.

 

[pichorra 1]

First of all, we need to find why the game simple does not drawn the other cells. I got busy with something else at the moment, so I will look at it when I got plenty of time, since that would require a lot of code digging. After then we can see what stuff can be implemented there.

[peterthepigeon 0]

There are several ways I could point you to without giving code as to how to find all occurrences of a particular macro.

 

But firstly, you need to obtain the size of the code section and so on.  This is just reading the sections.

 

Then you will need a length disassembly engine.  You'll notice your displacements for edx is 0x28 and 0x2C respectively and the immediate value is 0x40.

 

You have several choices from here on out:

 

1)  Employ a neural network like solution.  It could be an adaline network, hopfield, bi-directional associative memory, and so on.  You'll want to realize that you are matching based on the similarity of the appearance of the code.

 

2)  Do a behavior based search, that is you define the behavior of the opcodes you are searching for and your pattern matcher only returns streams of opcodes that match the defined behavior.

 

3) 1 & 2.  Preferably.

 

4) Standard find pattern with wildcards and so on.

 

5) Some other stuff here

[Iran 42]

The registers used with the offset changes and it seems the generated code sometimes does too.

[peterthepigeon 0]

The registers used with the offset changes and it seems the generated code sometimes does too.

 

Even so, a well written neural network pattern searching tool would find it.

 

If that's a bother, I can only recommend using hardware breakpoints and notating all faulting addresses.  You are subject to possibly missing instances of the macro entirely if they don't access the memory location.  I.E. they only are called when a certain trigger is caused or situation.

[Myg 71]

Do you think the game would play better on larger individual maps?

 

We are stuck to a 6 player limit at the moment as well.

[weaveR 17]

I think expanding the size of c&c95 gold maps would be great!  :P

[AchromicWhite 317]

It's hard to say if it'd play better on bigger maps, but if you can expand it, you may as well do it.

  -Liam