Ever played a non-standard map that gives a certain spot unfair cheats?

[XXxPrePxX]

I just played a game 'hammer 2v2' in player heyyou's game.

He had the non-standard map of hammer and sickle.

Now, he selected spot 1 and I tested it out in skrimish afterwards and online. Spot 1 gives the player unlimited money, fast build, and starting spies in everybody's base dressed up as secret service members.

It's hilarious, but man, that is so wrong -- cheating using non-standard map.

Ever had this happen before? Or is this somewhat new?

[Chandler]

It has sadly been around for a while. 

[fir3w0rx]

Is it any of these maps:

http://mapdb.cncnet.org/search.php?game=yr&age=0&search=hammer

[DoDger]

yea happened at ww5 [world war 5] map was not Standard map the other guy killed my mcv with 2 korea's jets the anti air def was soooooooooooooo op with range and power he was making everything without mcv and building non stop and heck also i remember non standard version of it same thing 2 jets kills everything but that was loooooooong ago

Edited November 18, 2017 by DoDger

[FlyingMustache]

Yeah, I played against him earlier. I opened his map on FA2. I found 10 soviet mcvs, 1 oil (probably that ticks some large sum of money) and 1 spy satellite on the outside margin of the map. There have always been people like this. It gives legitimate modders a bad reputation lol.

[FlyingMustache]

Ok, I just found the line in his map "ProduceCashStartup=10000000" this means his oil will give him 10,000,000 bucks as soon as the game starts.

 

Gotta keep these kinds of things in mind when playing custom maps.

[XXxPrePxX]

Ah, so that's how he does it @FlyingMustache.
That's how he gets unlimited money and fast build. It's not built in like a cheat code, just those buildings on the margins of the map, lmfao. Crazy.

 

 

[fir3w0rx]

What's the point of playing if you know you're going to win.

[[CC] RaVaGe]

To win, because you've lost the last 100 games before it! xD

[Grant]

There may be somethings we can search for when the custom map loads into the client, and say this map could have unfair advantages. 

If someone could ping me a key list like "ProduceCashStartup", we could check for things like ProduceCashStartup > game start cash? Map modders should be able to help me mostly with this?

 

[[CC] RaVaGe]

@Grant

ProduceCashStartup is tag from rules.ini which applies to buildings that generate income when they are captured, like the oil derrick giving you $1000 dollars on capture by default.
There's no easy way to determine if a map provides an unfair advantage to just one player or makes the modifications available to all.
The only way would be to mark maps that contain ini modifications and to notify the player that they are playing a 'mod' map.

Edited November 19, 2017 by FReQuEnZy

[FlyingMustache]

Agreed. Cheat maps like that use common tags. It would notify people for pretty much every map. We just have to notify people to be wary of custom maps.

[ZiGZaG]

On 18/11/2017 at 10:02 PM, XXxPrePxX said:

I just played a game 'hammer 2v2' in player heyyou's game.

He had the non-standard map of hammer and sickle.

Now, he selected spot 1 and I tested it out in skrimish afterwards and online. Spot 1 gives the player unlimited money, fast build, and starting spies in everybody's base dressed up as secret service members.

It's hilarious, but man, that is so wrong -- cheating using non-standard map.

Ever had this happen before? Or is this somewhat new?

I had the exact same thing done to me on hammer about 6 months ago, if you open the map in final alert they have like 20 mcvs outside the map aswell. 

[[NRA]Rocketeer]

Thats crazy, it seems like an ingenious troll xD

[[CC] RaVaGe]

What is crazy is that you guys can't differentiate between a custom and official map, when the preview is different and the map has to transfer, which shows a transfer notice in chat.

[Ezer_2000]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EinJdcTM4Kg

Edited November 20, 2017 by Ezer_2000

[Gun_Man]

On 11/18/2017 at 3:58 PM, DoDger said:

yea happened at ww5 [world war 5] map was not Standard map the other guy killed my mcv with 2 korea's jets the anti air def was soooooooooooooo op with range and power he was making everything without mcv and building non stop and heck also i remember non standard version of it same thing 2 jets kills everything but that was loooooooong ago

I was there for that lol.  It's the player HiddenPower that uses modded ww5 maps...i guess that's why he calls himself that lol

Edited November 30, 2017 by Gun_Man